Just my thoughts....
Come, share your tips!
Published on April 25, 2012 By RedneckDude In Personal Computing

Guys, I know a few of us have SSDs. I'm pretty sure more do than we know.

 

What say we all share any tips or tweaks we might have so we can all benefit from each other's knowledge.

 

Or maybe we can ask a question, someone else may have the answer.

 

I'll start by saying I have an OCZ Vertex Plus 120 GB.  Sata II on a Sata II Mobo.

 

Currently, I get the following stats when testing. I wonder how this compares with yours and if it can be tweaked.

 


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on Apr 25, 2012

RedneckDude
I am guessing, since it wasn't listed, that the above stats that are much higher numbers must be using Sata 3?

Yup! That and the fact they're most likely set to use AHCI.

Edit: Oh yeah, and that whole RAID thing Jorge has going on.

RedneckDude
So, is indexing off, or on?

I think you have to turn indexing off manually. You can use the tweak guides at the bottom of the post to do that.

Wizard1956
I'd like to know some camparison data, such as MLC vs. non MLC drives. SataII mobo's with SATAIII SSD's. SATAIII mobo's with SATAII SSD's. Mix it up a bit for all us half-steppers.

I'm not sure about actual data but the non MLC drives are SLC and eMLC drives and are generally used in enterprise. They cost a heck of a lot more than the kind you or I may buy, but if I remember right, that's because they also have more writes than ours, which are generally limited to around 10,000 (which is still a lot). Here's an article that may help LINK

Hybrid drives basically offer more storage than just a pure SSD, though the memory part of the drive does help somewhat and acts as cache for most used programs, etc. I'm not quite sure, so don't quote me, but I think while they are faster than just a standard mechanical drive, they still aren't as fast as a pure SSD.

Various manufacturers are starting to offer an SSD that acts purely as cache once it is connected to a regular drive. Though they do seem to have their downsides. Here's a link for an article only published today LINK

SATA III is better than SATA II because of the speed difference. SATA III is 6Gbps, whereas SATA II is limited to a maximum of 3Gbps. A SATA II or SATA III SSD on a SATAII mummyboard is still going to perform better than a SATA II mechanical drive (or a SATAIII one for that matter).

Me personally, I'd plunk down the extra cash on a SATA III SSD, but that's just me. They're not as pricey as they once were.

Crucial, Intel and Samsung seem to be the most reliable SSD's from what I can tell, though they aren't necessarily the fastest.

Oh, and some tweak links that may be useful. Though they all offer much the same tweakwise.

TWEAK GUIDE 1

TWEAK GUIDE 2

TWEAK GUIDE 3

 

on Apr 25, 2012

I think I need to upgrade to TWO SSDs...... a bigger one than I have now....for the OS.... and anothery for FSX ...... darn game WANTS more grunt....

on Apr 25, 2012

Wizard1956
Some of you may want todays giveawayoftheday it's from Paragon, a trusted name in software. Even if you have already migrated over, you may want this software,  Paragon Migrate OS to SSD 2.0 Special Edition


I purchased that to align the partitions of my Intel 320 SSD in my Sony Vaio laptop, worked just as advertised. I purchased the laptop and the SSD separately, and asked the shop I purchased both items from to clone the laptop's original hard drive to the SSD for me. I forgot to warn them about the alignment issue when cloning an hard drive to an SSD, and when I got the laptop it was obvious they didn't know about that.

Wizard1956
Is it better to just go ahead and spend the money on SATAIII instead?

A single SATA III SSD will saturate a SATA II connection, so you will be getting only half the maximum possible read speed. For the laptop, for instance, I went with a SATA II SSD, no point in paying extra for a SATA III drive on a laptop with a SATA II interface.

For a Desktop, on the other hand, I would probably get a SATA III SSD, provided I was already planning to upgrade the motherboard/CPU later. Personally I prefer to upgrade most components all at once and then keep the same system for 2-3 years.

For instance, I'm currently waiting for either the 690 GTX or the AMD 7990 to come out to buy a new system: it will have an Intel Ivybridge 3770K CPU, Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe motherboard, two SATA III Samsung 830 256 GB SSDs in RAID 0, 16 GB RAM, Comos II case, and either the 690 GTX or the AMD 7990 dual GPU graphic cards (whichever comes out first, and dependent on initial reviews).

on Apr 25, 2012

I think I need to upgrade to TWO SSDs...... a bigger one than I have now....for the OS.... and anothery for FSX ...... darn game WANTS more grunt....

Ehehe. If you get two SSDs, just RAID 0 them together (provided they are both the same model and capacity). What you get is double the capacity *and* double the speed of each individual drive. Unlike hard disks, a SSD RAID 0 array scales linearly.

on Apr 25, 2012

JcRabbit
For instance, I'm currently waiting for either the 690 GTX or the AMD 7990 to come out to buy a new system: it will have an Intel Ivybridge 3770K CPU, Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe motherboard, two SATA III Samsung 830 256 GB SSDs in RAID 0, 16 GB RAM, Comos II case, and either the 690 GTX or the AMD 7990 dual GPU graphic cards (whichever comes out first, and dependent on initial reviews).

I hate you, Jorge!

JK (can I have your old rig.... pleeeeeeeease!)

on Apr 25, 2012

JcRabbit
double the capacity
?

 

Should one run disk cleanup on an SSD?

on Apr 25, 2012

Starcandy
JK (can I have your old rig.... pleeeeeeeease!)

Ehehe, sorry, already promised to my girlfriend.

RedneckDude
?

A RAID 0 array, besides multiplying read/write speeds, also multiplies capacity. For instance, each of my three Intel SSDs has 80 GB. As such, the OS sees them as a single 240 GB drive (3x80 GB).

RedneckDude
Should one run disk cleanup on an SSD?

Sure, I do it frequently! That will clean up temporary files that are no longer needed, etc... Nothing to do with defragging a drive.

on Apr 25, 2012

JcRabbit
A RAID 0 array, besides multiplying read/write speeds, also multiplies capacity. For instance, each of my three Intel SSDs has 80 GB. As such, the OS sees them as a single 240 GB drive (3x80 GB).
Oh, ok. You still have the same capacity, only windows thinks it's all in one drive.

 

I was fairly sure you didn't turn 3 80's into more than 3 times 80. It read like turning 3 80's into 3 160's...lol.

on Apr 25, 2012

RedneckDude
Should one run disk cleanup on an SSD?

Yes. But I have my CCleaner set to not use the Wipe Free Space, not Wipe Free MFT Space and only use the normal delete option. Secure delete options aren't necessary on an SSD and I've read that they can damage an SSD. Oh, and I don't use CCleaner as often on my SSD as I used to on my mechanical drive (I think has something to do with the limited number of writes). I clean the crud out once every couple of weeks or so.

JcRabbit
Ehehe, sorry, already promised to my girlfriend.

Bugger!

on Apr 25, 2012

anothery
?

 

I have to ask...

on Apr 25, 2012


I installed windows 7 directly to the drive but i made one mistake i installed it while i had 3 extereals attached to my rig what caused the system to make an extra D: drive with 100mb backup thats for windows itself - it has a solid letter normally that drive or that partition is hidden but its not...
I tweaked the drive with the tool that came with it samsung magican tool it was easy to use while it wasnt able to disable the index thing
( so i did that manually ) Computer drive C : removed the index this drive for windows applyd and i was good...
The drive is running and was installed in AHCI Raid1 im a bit carefull with raid0 since i care a bit about the data stored on my C:\ drive
While you can use crystal disk to view the speed its mostly not correct i have seen my disk on 470 and then after a view minutes i had 503 and 507-Mb/s
its changing...maybee thats normal i dont know also its not recommended to do the tests to often since it is stressing the drive but if you buy one you also want to use it so screw that lol- ohh And if you use Tuneup make sure to update to the latest version since there was some trouble with other versions that did defrag your ssd...  >Drive is a Samsung 830 120G connected via Sata6
@ RND i also had lower speeds when i had the drive connected via the second slot ( Sata and not the first ) you can try to switch it to improve speeds i improved mine when i set it next to my Samsung HDD in Raid 1 before that i had speeds round about 350mbs switched it and now iam at 500 i also tryd the grey SATA6G input on my board thatr is made for SDD but for some reason it didnt work on that slot

on Apr 25, 2012

JcRabbit
Make sure AHCI mode is enabled instead of IDE mode, it's faster. If you're still using IDE mode, read THIS before switching or you risk not being able to boot into Windows afterwards.
Maybe I'm dense, but that reads like it's advice only for Intel chipsets. Mine isn't.

on Apr 25, 2012

Roloccolor
Drive is a Samsung 830 120G connected via Sata6

Nice! Happy with the Samsung 830 so far?

At first I was undecided between getting a couple of Samsung 830 SSDs or Intel 520's, but I don't want to go near anything with a SandForce controller, even with Intel's name behind it.  The Samsungs are fast, have their own controller made in-house, and they seem to be at least as reliable as the Intel drives, if not more so (a lot of OEMs are choosing Samsung SSDs for their builds).

The only thing that can still put a dent on my plans is Intel's adding RAID 0 TRIM support to the next release of Rapid Storage Technology. v11.5 alpha release notes stated they would, but that was back in November 2011 and then... not a peep more.

on Apr 25, 2012

Do I need both of these checked?

 

on Apr 25, 2012

JcRabbit
For a Desktop, on the other hand, I would probably get a SATA III SSD, provided I was already planning to upgrade the motherboard/CPU later. Personally I prefer to upgrade most components all at once and then keep the same system for 2-3 years

That's where I am at, looking down the road at a future upgrade to an AM3/SataIII/DDR3/USB3.0 setup.(Hey, all 3's, lol) I'm still very happy with what I have now, if you don't count the almost 3 minutes it takes to get to my desktop. I shut my PC off more often now to save on energy bills and the boot times are a real drag. I have services and start-up programs at a minimum, so I think only an SSD will help much. Buying a SATAIII unit sounds like the smart money.

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