Just my thoughts....
Just To Get Some Info Flowing.....
Published on February 22, 2014 By RedneckDude In Personal Computing

Guys, I can't believe this, but I want to tell you what happened to me.

 

I recently bought a PC that has UEFI BIOS, but also has Windows 8.1 installed in UEFI mode.

Tried to create a new partition, in order to dual boot with 7. All hell broke loose.

Before partitioning, I of course, made an image backup.  Proceeded to make the partition, only to find that I couldn't boot up after.

Some error about the needed drive wasn't connected or available.

So, I tried to blow in the backup, and I couldn't boot to DVD. Unless the DVD was a recovery disc with the OEM stuff on it. So I did, but I couldn't believe that they took away our ability to restore from a backup image.

Then, I went into BIOS and figured out how to turn off secure boot and enable legacy boot options and did manage to get the backup to install, only to still fail to boot up.

Called HP Support, went through 4 techs and 2 supervisors and was told that with a UEFI BIOS on an OEM rig, running Windows 8 that was installed in UEFI mode, you cannot install from a backup.

Only a factory reset would work if you can't boot.  Which is totally ludicrous, IMO. Why make a system that can't use a 3rd party backup? People lose everything with a system factory recovery, or even Windows 8's reset/refresh.

They kept trying to blame my 3rd party backup program, Easeus ToDo. Bullshit.

After hours with HP on the phone, I'm ready to go postal.

So, ten minutes after hanging up with HP Non Support, I got it done. Finally.

I had to completely disable UEFI mode in BIOS. Enable legacy boot options, turn off secure boot. Install the backup, then run startup repair from a Windows 8 disc.

Guess I won't be dual booting, since I'm now afraid to try.

 

               

 


Comments (Page 1)
on Feb 22, 2014

Oh, and the problem lies in the fact that , at least this OEM machine, uses GPT, rather than MBR.

I have read that I may be able to convert it to MBR, then install Windows 8 from a non UEFI disc. Which I have one of those.

on Feb 22, 2014

On any drive over 2.2 TB you have to format them in GPT. So that means it can't be used as a boot drive. Just tried to install a 4 TB DeckStar HD on Win 7 and ended up taking about 3 hours of research and formatting to get it to work. You're making me think twice about upgrading to Win 8. Does that mean you can't even use Windows own Image program?

on Feb 22, 2014

Now you understand why I posted way back when about UEFI and what a stupid POS idea it is.

on Feb 22, 2014

It may be a POS idea but all the high end motherboards are now using UEFI so looks like were kinda stuck with it.

on Feb 22, 2014

Kinger

On any drive over 2.2 TB you have to format them in GPT. So that means it can't be used as a boot drive. Just tried to install a 4 TB DeckStar HD on Win 7 and ended up taking about 3 hours of research and formatting to get it to work. You're making me think twice about upgrading to Win 8. Does that mean you can't even use Windows own Image program?

 

Upgrading to 8 is ok, if you like 8. Just do it in MBR mode and do it on your own built rig. With a normal Windows 8 disc or ISO from the MS Store.

 

My main rig has a UEFI BIOS but the Windows 8.1 OS on it wasn't installed in UEFI mode. So it doesn't have all these problems. I can restore a disk image backup on it fine.

 

The problem here is that the OEM machine I bought came preinstalled with a UEFI version of Windows 8.1 which was installed in UEFI mode.

 

Other words, the UEFI bios isn't the problem. It's the mode in which the OS was installed.

 

I have seen articles on how to make your own UEFI Windows 8 disc from your non UEFI one.

 

Why would you want to?

 

Yes Doc, it is truly a POS!

on Feb 22, 2014

I didn't do any of this. I only formatted the recovery drive and made a storage drive from it, once I made recovery discs.

 

All the unallocated partitions and crap loses me...

 

 

on Feb 22, 2014

 

RedneckDude
My main rig has a UEFI BIOS but the Windows 8.1 OS on it wasn't installed in UEFI mode. So it doesn't have all these problems. I can restore a disk image backup on it fine.
 

RedneckDude
I have read that I may be able to convert it to MBR, then install Windows 8 from a non UEFI disc. Which I have one of those.

 

Kinger

It may be a POS idea but all the high end motherboards are now using UEFI so looks like were kinda stuck with it.

Not necessarily.

on Feb 22, 2014

RedneckDude
My main rig has a UEFI BIOS but the Windows 8.1 OS on it wasn't installed in UEFI mode. So it doesn't have all these problems. I can restore a disk image backup on it fine.

It looks like you can use windows to do a Image backup with Powershell. Here is a link http://www.howtogeek.com/167984/how-to-create-and-restore-system-image-backups-on-windows-8.1/   So I just have to be careful when I install to make sure it isn't in UEFI. I am really debating whether to use 7 or 8 on my new rig when its finished.

on Feb 22, 2014

RedneckDude
All the unallocated partitions and crap loses me...

I gave up on partitioning drives. I have a Huge old Raidmax case with 3 BR drives. a Vantech hot swap bay, floppy drive and 4 internal drives. Also have 4 Roswell external bays hooked up in eSATA. I use Ghost to back up images on a separate 3TB drive. Don't know why you cant install your operating system on separate drives for a dual boot then edit the MBR using easybdc to duel boot. I will experiment with that and see how it goes. Course that wont work on a laptop with 1 drive would it.

on Feb 23, 2014

@ RND

For the record the latest versions of Easeus ToDo Backup have no trouble with GPT partitions. 

Last fall (Sept 2013) I purchased a new Toshiba notebook (Windows 8) and wanted to image the 1TB normal drive to an SSD I already had to make the SSD the boot drive and keep the 1TB regular drive for data etc.  Initially just like you I ran into some issues using an older (outdated) version of Easeus ToDo.  I contacted Easeus, upgraded to the newer version of ToDo Workstation which has no issues with GPT partitions etc. and the task was completed painlessly.

on Feb 23, 2014

Kinger
It looks like you can use windows to do a Image backup with Powershell. Here is a link http://www.howtogeek.com/167984/how-to-create-and-restore-system-image-backups-on-windows-8.1/

I can create an image backup just fine with my program. It's restoring it that's problematic.

on Feb 23, 2014

Monk, thanks...looking into it! 

 

Any idea what I need to do to successfully create a new partition? Every time I try, the system won't boot afterward.

I tried with Disk Management in Windows 8, and I tried with Easeus Partition Master.

on Feb 23, 2014

Here's what I did to migrate the boot partition and all pertinent data from the 1TB drive my notebook shipped with, to the SSD I already had.

 

1.  I upgraded to the newest Easeus ToDo Workstation software.

2.  I created a bootable CD with the ToDo software on it.

3.  Having both the 1TB regular drive and the SSD connected I booted to the ToDo backup CD.

4.  Selected the boot partition on the 1TB and cloned it to the then empty SSD.

5.  After the clone/copy job completed I turned the system off.  Disconnected the 1TB regular drive to test things and removed the ToDo backup CD.

6.  Booted the notebook.  It booted in exactly the same fashion it had when booting from the 1TB regular drive albeit now a tad faster.

 

I literally did not have to do anything else to get things working.

 

EDIT:

As has already been previously stated.  The issue is GPT.  All you need to do is make sure any imaging (backup/restore) software you wish to use properly supports GPT partitions and things will be just as painless (in terms of backup and restore) as they used to be.  

on Feb 23, 2014

the_Monk
ToDo Workstation which has no issues with GPT partitions etc. and the task was completed painlessly.

 

Sounds like a good option, I'll give it a try.

 

on Feb 23, 2014

the_Monk
EDIT:
As has already been previously stated. The issue is GPT. All you need to do is make sure any imaging (backup/restore) software you wish to use properly supports GPT partitions and things will be just as painless (in terms of backup and restore) as they used to be.

Except for getting the machine to boot from the DVD. It seems I have to go into BIOS and disable the UEFI Boot Options, and Secure Boot, and enable Legacy Boot Options in order to get the PC to boot from the Easeus Disc.

 

Enlighten me if you know an easier way.

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